1 00:00:12,370 --> 00:00:09,730 on this episode of skeptic Oh Alex talks 2 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:12,380 with Rick Archer host of buddha at the 3 00:00:17,050 --> 00:00:15,110 gas pump if you want to change the 4 00:00:19,660 --> 00:00:17,060 course of a river let's say the ganges 5 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:19,670 you couldn't do it really at the mouth 6 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:21,250 where it enters into the Bay of Bengal 7 00:00:25,060 --> 00:00:23,630 it's the whole river has already run its 8 00:00:26,830 --> 00:00:25,070 course by then and it has a great 9 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:26,840 momentum to it but if you could go to 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:28,580 the source of the Ganges up in the 11 00:00:31,779 --> 00:00:30,650 Himalayas someplace maybe you could send 12 00:00:33,340 --> 00:00:31,789 the whole river off in a different 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:33,350 direction the metaphor is meant to 14 00:00:39,130 --> 00:00:36,410 suggest that the more fundamental level 15 00:00:41,529 --> 00:00:39,140 at which you can operate the more 16 00:00:44,529 --> 00:00:41,539 influential you can be and so we have to 17 00:00:46,299 --> 00:00:44,539 ask ourselves what changes culture what 18 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:46,309 is it the really change is the way 19 00:00:50,919 --> 00:00:48,230 people think and the institutions that 20 00:00:53,469 --> 00:00:50,929 appear to be in control the politicians 21 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:53,479 the corporations and so on I would argue 22 00:00:58,540 --> 00:00:56,149 that the lowest common denominator in 23 00:01:12,540 --> 00:00:58,550 all of human activity is consciousness 24 00:01:16,450 --> 00:01:14,800 welcome to skeptic aware we explore 25 00:01:18,820 --> 00:01:16,460 controversial science with leading 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:18,830 researchers thinkers and their critics 27 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:21,290 I'm your host alexsa cares in on this 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:24,380 episode I again talked to Rick Archer 29 00:01:28,180 --> 00:01:26,810 from buddha at the gas pump really one 30 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:28,190 of my favorite guests and one of my 31 00:01:32,740 --> 00:01:30,500 favorite people to connect to when we 32 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:32,750 look at the bigger picture questions of 33 00:01:38,860 --> 00:01:36,860 what does all this stuff mean and where 34 00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:38,870 might it be going in terms of 35 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:41,540 consciousness research and in terms of 36 00:01:45,550 --> 00:01:43,370 answering the questions that we talked 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:45,560 so much about here on this show so it's 38 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:47,210 always a pleasure to touch base with 39 00:01:52,210 --> 00:01:49,790 Rick and see where his community of 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:52,220 enlightenment seekers are heading and 41 00:01:58,060 --> 00:01:55,130 where what they're finding matches up 42 00:02:02,020 --> 00:01:58,070 with or doesn't match up with what the 43 00:02:04,210 --> 00:02:02,030 science and rational logical folks are 44 00:02:07,420 --> 00:02:04,220 doing and that's what I thought to do in 45 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:07,430 this interview I hope you enjoy it 46 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:10,009 today we welcome Rick Archer back to 47 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:12,770 skeptic Oh Rick of course is the creator 48 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:16,430 of and host of Buddha at the gas pump a 49 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:19,280 show you've heard me mention many times 50 00:02:24,660 --> 00:02:20,770 on this show because I think it provides 51 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:24,670 just a really unique and wonderful 52 00:02:31,449 --> 00:02:28,630 insight into what's going on with 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:31,459 enlightenment and folks who are seeking 54 00:02:37,390 --> 00:02:34,970 this alternative extended consciousness 55 00:02:38,530 --> 00:02:37,400 reality that we talk so much about on 56 00:02:40,570 --> 00:02:38,540 the show of course we're going to get 57 00:02:46,050 --> 00:02:40,580 into that quite a bit rick is also a 58 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:46,060 long time TM practitioner teacher and 59 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:48,830 longtime student who still meditates 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:52,670 several hours a day which is to most of 61 00:02:56,530 --> 00:02:54,530 us commendable even though Rick just I 62 00:02:58,690 --> 00:02:56,540 think sees it as a natural part of his 63 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:58,700 life and along with that he also has a 64 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:01,040 day job helping folks with their 65 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:04,190 websites and getting their SEO on which 66 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:06,230 if you don't know what that is don't 67 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:08,150 worry about it it isn't in your world 68 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:11,030 but anyway Rick it's great to have you 69 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:12,890 back thanks again so much for joining me 70 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:15,440 thanks that I should mention that i am 71 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:17,540 not officially a TM teacher anymore i 72 00:03:21,729 --> 00:03:19,040 was kind of booted out of the TM 73 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:21,739 movement over 10 years ago for getting a 74 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:23,090 little bit involved with amma the 75 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:25,519 hugging saint they don't like their 76 00:03:30,699 --> 00:03:27,140 teachers to sort of get involved with 77 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:30,709 other gurus and by still meditate and i 78 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:32,930 am appreciative of everything i gained 79 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:36,769 from my TM World Association days but 80 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:39,830 I'm no longer part of it well you know 81 00:03:43,630 --> 00:03:41,750 that's interesting in and of itself i'm 82 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:43,640 not sure we want to jump there right now 83 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:45,200 but one of the things i really 84 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:48,080 appreciate about your website and about 85 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:51,519 your position in general is you are very 86 00:03:57,220 --> 00:03:55,660 eclectic very open to a lot of different 87 00:04:00,190 --> 00:03:57,230 practices and a lot of different 88 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:00,200 techniques but you're not afraid to kind 89 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:03,049 of be at least a little bit discerning 90 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:06,769 and critical about some of the dogmatism 91 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:10,430 and fundamentalism that can emerge in 92 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:12,590 these places where we don't expect to 93 00:04:17,740 --> 00:04:15,590 see it i mean non-duality people TM 94 00:04:20,620 --> 00:04:17,750 people they're not supposed to act like 95 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:20,630 that but of course the the human nature 96 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:21,170 i guess 97 00:04:27,250 --> 00:04:23,870 crops up over and over again so maybe in 98 00:04:30,250 --> 00:04:27,260 there you can roll that into talking 99 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:30,260 about buddha at the gas pump for those 100 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:32,750 people who maybe don't know about it or 101 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:33,950 haven't listened to that previous 102 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:35,750 interview you know i just heard an 103 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:38,510 interview you gave and it really you 104 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:40,070 kind of turn the tables and you were the 105 00:04:44,020 --> 00:04:41,720 subject of the interview but you really 106 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:44,030 talked about the humble beginnings of 107 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:46,300 the show and how it just emerged out of 108 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:49,010 this hey there seems to be a lot of 109 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:51,110 people I'm talking to that are into this 110 00:04:56,490 --> 00:04:53,810 stuff let's get these ideas out there 111 00:05:00,700 --> 00:04:56,500 and see what germinates from it is that 112 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:00,710 pretty much what happened yeah you know 113 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:04,970 I don't know exactly what puppeteer is 114 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:07,670 pulling our strings you know it's but um 115 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:09,950 but you know you just feel inspired to 116 00:05:13,660 --> 00:05:12,110 do something and you don't know exactly 117 00:05:15,790 --> 00:05:13,670 where it's heading or how big it might 118 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:15,800 become but you just kind of follow the 119 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:17,510 impulse and that's kind of way it was 120 00:05:20,890 --> 00:05:18,890 with this it was just an impulse and I 121 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:20,900 started out thinking very small like 122 00:05:24,490 --> 00:05:22,430 I'll just do this on the local radio 123 00:05:26,980 --> 00:05:24,500 station from for the folks in my town 124 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:26,990 and that wasn't getting met with success 125 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:29,180 it was getting it was being resisted and 126 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:31,760 so kind of one thing led to the next and 127 00:05:36,130 --> 00:05:33,800 as soon as I had the intention to make 128 00:05:38,260 --> 00:05:36,140 it much more of a global thing it got 129 00:05:40,390 --> 00:05:38,270 tremendous support and you know that it 130 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:40,400 was like that's what God wanted me to do 131 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:42,320 or nature whoever whoever's pulling the 132 00:05:45,850 --> 00:05:44,270 strings it's like okay now you're on 133 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:45,860 track now here's some support you know 134 00:05:52,030 --> 00:05:47,990 and and so it just kind of started 135 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:52,040 expanding and growing yeah okay so then 136 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:54,830 maybe we because we know each other and 137 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:56,360 we become friends and have great respect 138 00:06:00,910 --> 00:05:59,090 for you maybe we're jumping a little bit 139 00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:00,920 right into some inside baseball let's 140 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:04,820 back up what is Buddha at the bat boot 141 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:07,520 at the gas pump how do you how do you 142 00:06:11,950 --> 00:06:09,980 describe it to people who really don't 143 00:06:13,330 --> 00:06:11,960 know anything about it I just say that 144 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:13,340 it's a show in which I have 145 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:15,970 conversations with people who are 146 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:18,650 awakening spiritually I hesitate to use 147 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:20,540 the term awakened because I don't know 148 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:22,910 if I've met anyone who is awakened as 149 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:25,610 you can possibly get so no matter how 150 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:27,500 awakened they may be and we'll probably 151 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:30,100 have to define what we mean by that 152 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:33,580 there's still you know an unfolding of 153 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:35,590 greater depth and clarity and so on so 154 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:38,580 let's let's discuss what awakening is 155 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:40,810 you know if you ask the average person 156 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:42,610 who they are they're probably going to 157 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:44,080 give you their name they might give you 158 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:46,090 sebass you know aspects of their 159 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:47,860 personal lives like their family and 160 00:06:52,410 --> 00:06:49,960 their job and all kinds of things that 161 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:52,420 described outer attributes maybe they 162 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:54,370 describe their body I'm a weightlifter 163 00:06:59,450 --> 00:06:57,070 I'm a you know pro athlete or something 164 00:07:03,390 --> 00:06:59,460 if that's what they are really you know 165 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:03,400 inspired by but all those things are 166 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:08,710 changing and and dying and spiritual 167 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:11,050 authorities and mystics and so on 168 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:12,490 throughout history have said that that's 169 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:14,740 not who we are we're something much 170 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:16,360 deeper than that you know we're not 171 00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:18,280 merely a wave on the ocean where the 172 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:22,270 ocean itself we're at our in our core at 173 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:24,190 our essence we are pure consciousness 174 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:26,770 unbounded pure awareness and that's our 175 00:07:30,990 --> 00:07:28,990 our core identity that's who we are 176 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:31,000 ultimately and there's only one of us on 177 00:07:34,590 --> 00:07:32,470 that level you know you and I are the 178 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:34,600 same person so to speak on that level 179 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:36,880 and it's not even a person it's sort of 180 00:07:40,950 --> 00:07:39,310 the ground state of the universe so the 181 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:40,960 whole deal with enlightenment and 182 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:43,540 awakening and all that is to arrive at 183 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:46,000 an experiential verification of what I 184 00:07:50,730 --> 00:07:48,670 just said now it's not a concept it 185 00:07:52,530 --> 00:07:50,740 doesn't do you any good as a concept you 186 00:07:53,790 --> 00:07:52,540 can you can conceptualize it till you're 187 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:53,800 blue in the face and it's not going to 188 00:08:00,030 --> 00:07:56,320 impact your life but actually getting 189 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:00,040 down to experiencing life in that way is 190 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:03,550 the most dramatic and profound thing 191 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:06,070 that a person can do in my opinion and 192 00:08:11,490 --> 00:08:08,650 it has the most profound impact on life 193 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:11,500 that anything can have so anyway that's 194 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:13,870 what awakening is in a nutshell and by 195 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:17,920 my goal in doing this show is well first 196 00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:19,330 of all I just love doing it but also 197 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:21,760 just to sort of make people aware that 198 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:23,710 there's somewhat of an epidemic taking 199 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:25,960 place in terms of this type of 200 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:27,700 experience that I've just described and 201 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:29,200 it's accessible to everyone not just 202 00:08:34,529 --> 00:08:31,840 some guy sitting in a cave or you know 203 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:34,539 some great famous saint who lived a 204 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:36,580 thousand years ago it's accessible to 205 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:39,250 everyone it's your birthright mm-hmm 206 00:08:43,409 --> 00:08:42,010 well you know that's that's all 207 00:08:45,569 --> 00:08:43,419 interesting and let 208 00:08:47,069 --> 00:08:45,579 and maybe this will be useful for people 209 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:47,079 and useful for you and I will be 210 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:49,120 interesting to us anyway but you know I 211 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:51,550 kind of come at your show slightly 212 00:08:55,530 --> 00:08:53,950 differently you know I see what you just 213 00:08:57,180 --> 00:08:55,540 said at the beginning in terms of 214 00:08:58,500 --> 00:08:57,190 awakening and I like the way you kind of 215 00:09:00,900 --> 00:08:58,510 phrased it the way up the term I would 216 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:00,910 use is it's the working hypothesis right 217 00:09:07,769 --> 00:09:03,820 so the working hypothesis is that there 218 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:07,779 is this self there is this unbounded 219 00:09:13,069 --> 00:09:10,560 self that connects all of us and it 220 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:13,079 connects with all these other wonderful 221 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:15,370 insights and this other wonderful 222 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:17,769 experiences but that is a working 223 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:21,370 hypothesis what I love about that gap is 224 00:09:26,699 --> 00:09:24,610 I get the spirit of exploring that that 225 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:26,709 you are exploring that as a working 226 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:29,769 hypothesis so there isn't the dogmatism 227 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:31,660 that we'd see with someone who says on 228 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:33,760 holiday you know it has to be this brand 229 00:09:40,949 --> 00:09:37,720 of Thai avada Buddhism as practiced in 230 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:40,959 Sri Lanka in the 1800's that's when it 231 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:44,260 all happened I mean you really are not 232 00:09:49,530 --> 00:09:48,130 kind into that kind of in a very gentle 233 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:49,540 way because you do a great job in your 234 00:09:52,290 --> 00:09:51,070 interviews but you're not kind of that 235 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:52,300 kind of thinking you're just kind too 236 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:55,240 kind of this scientific approach almost 237 00:09:59,610 --> 00:09:57,640 in terms of juxtaposing all these 238 00:10:03,240 --> 00:09:59,620 different people that are seeking this 239 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:03,250 same experience and putting it out there 240 00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:05,620 and and letting it letting the chips 241 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:07,480 fall where they may what I think is 242 00:10:11,699 --> 00:10:09,790 interesting about that from a skeptical 243 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:11,709 perspective where we're coming at it is 244 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:15,870 that you're working hypothesis is 245 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:20,140 completely completely contradicts the 246 00:10:27,269 --> 00:10:23,230 the underpinnings the the foundational 247 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:27,279 ideas of our science of our culture of 248 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:31,000 our belief system in terms of as you 249 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:32,290 know when as I say on the show all the 250 00:10:39,569 --> 00:10:36,760 time that the fundamental building block 251 00:10:42,449 --> 00:10:39,579 of science is that you are your brain 252 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:42,459 your brain and your mind are one you are 253 00:10:47,069 --> 00:10:44,350 therefore a biological robot like the 254 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:47,079 t-shirt you got the t-shirt good set me 255 00:10:51,090 --> 00:10:48,690 and I said your victory wearing it but 256 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:51,100 went to the science of non-duality 257 00:10:54,509 --> 00:10:52,510 conference which we want to kind of 258 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:54,519 segue in and talk about because that 259 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:55,990 conference represents kind of a 260 00:11:00,390 --> 00:10:57,310 community of people like 261 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:00,400 minded people who I think share some of 262 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:03,190 this ethos that Rick is kind of tuning 263 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:07,900 into but I'm babbling on here tell us 264 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:11,320 what you think about the juxtaposition 265 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:14,830 of that idea you're working hypothesis 266 00:11:21,329 --> 00:11:18,010 and the biological robot in a 267 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:21,339 meaningless universe hypothesis or do 268 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:23,170 you not sure worry about that now I 269 00:11:27,269 --> 00:11:24,460 don't worry about it but I have some 270 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:27,279 thoughts about it I first of all I like 271 00:11:30,780 --> 00:11:29,260 the term working hypothesis because it 272 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:30,790 fits right in with what I just said a 273 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:32,410 few minutes ago which is that this whole 274 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:34,720 thing is really an experiential matter 275 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:37,750 not a hypothetical or conceptual or you 276 00:11:43,079 --> 00:11:40,300 know theoretical matter and it's fine to 277 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:43,089 form hypotheses but then they should be 278 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:45,130 experiential II explorable and 279 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:48,190 verifiable otherwise it's just pie in 280 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:50,380 the sky meaningless belief and you know 281 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:52,240 belief might be inspiring to some people 282 00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:53,920 but it really is not what we're talking 283 00:11:59,160 --> 00:11:55,540 about here we're talking about direct 284 00:12:03,450 --> 00:11:59,170 experience so now as far as science is 285 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:03,460 concerned yeah a lot of scientists think 286 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:05,410 the way you've just described but there 287 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:07,330 are more kind of leading-edge scientists 288 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:08,620 such as the ones who would come to that 289 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:11,680 conference who have definitely gone 290 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:13,330 beyond that sort of thinking and are 291 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:17,470 very eloquently arguing that you know we 292 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:20,680 are not just biological robots and that 293 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:23,800 we're more like you know there were more 294 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:26,650 like radios which pick up at which can 295 00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:29,560 kind of pick up or detect an underlying 296 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:33,400 field which is vast and universal the 297 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,220 music is not in the radio the music is 298 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:38,800 kind of coming from you know vibrations 299 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:40,930 in that field so like that what we 300 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:43,570 essentially ultimately are is unbounded 301 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:45,610 universal and our individual nervous 302 00:12:50,850 --> 00:12:47,980 systems our conduits for that or 303 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:50,860 channels for that or extensors gan's of 304 00:12:54,810 --> 00:12:52,330 the infinite you could say through which 305 00:12:55,860 --> 00:12:54,820 we have individual experiences but 306 00:12:58,860 --> 00:12:55,870 that's just the tip of the iceberg 307 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:58,870 that's just the sort of more is there 308 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:00,160 are a lot of scientists who would agree 309 00:13:03,329 --> 00:13:01,690 with what I'm saying and who actually 310 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:03,339 can argue much more eloquently than I 311 00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:05,920 have in terms of physics and so on why 312 00:13:10,410 --> 00:13:07,780 that is actually the case and not the 313 00:13:12,169 --> 00:13:10,420 sort of more antiquated worldview that 314 00:13:15,329 --> 00:13:12,179 you just start 315 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:15,339 okay that's maybe another topic for 316 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:16,929 another time I mean I just think the 317 00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:18,730 number of scientists that really fall 318 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:22,959 into that a larger group into that that 319 00:13:25,619 --> 00:13:24,040 group that were just talking about in 320 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:25,629 terms of enlightens and science and non 321 00:13:29,549 --> 00:13:27,850 duality sub are really so small and 322 00:13:32,309 --> 00:13:29,559 their influence is so minuscule and 323 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:32,319 they're so swamped by the the other 324 00:13:38,819 --> 00:13:34,959 mainstream view that I I I think it's I 325 00:13:42,329 --> 00:13:38,829 think it's a mistake to see progress 326 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:42,339 there when we're in this little 327 00:13:45,869 --> 00:13:44,169 community this little echo chamber and 328 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:45,879 we keep talking to the same people over 329 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:48,850 and over again and we think that means 330 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:51,549 that there's some big movement and I'm 331 00:13:55,019 --> 00:13:53,470 not sure it's there you know the great 332 00:13:58,499 --> 00:13:55,029 thing about the Internet is we have this 333 00:14:00,509 --> 00:13:58,509 long tail which it is a wonderful long 334 00:14:03,599 --> 00:14:00,519 tail but that's where we're at Rick 335 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:03,609 we're way down here on the on the end of 336 00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:05,889 the tail and you know as I talk to the 337 00:14:09,539 --> 00:14:08,079 people at the the leading universities 338 00:14:12,269 --> 00:14:09,549 you know the Ivy League people in the 339 00:14:14,819 --> 00:14:12,279 Oxford and Cambridge and so they don't 340 00:14:17,729 --> 00:14:14,829 they don't give any time to to any of 341 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:17,739 this stuff a barely a mention and as a 342 00:14:24,659 --> 00:14:21,100 matter of fact that the the counter to 343 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:24,669 this the the antagonism towards these 344 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:27,040 ideas and this whoo whoo and this 345 00:14:34,739 --> 00:14:31,839 science stuff is really grown more in 346 00:14:37,409 --> 00:14:34,749 terms of you know numbers has grown or 347 00:14:41,809 --> 00:14:37,419 at least is growing and still growing as 348 00:14:44,429 --> 00:14:41,819 much as this alternative community of 349 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,439 enlightenment science seekers I mean 350 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,480 that's my sense and the numbers I think 351 00:14:51,569 --> 00:14:48,399 bear it out I mean if you want to look 352 00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:51,579 at it like numbers of listeners viewers 353 00:14:57,629 --> 00:14:54,220 of your show of your fantastic youtube 354 00:15:00,179 --> 00:14:57,639 channel bat gap com you know compare 355 00:15:04,439 --> 00:15:00,189 that to skeptics guide to the universe 356 00:15:07,319 --> 00:15:04,449 or you know some other skeptics show it 357 00:15:09,329 --> 00:15:07,329 you're dwarfed by that yeah but that 358 00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,339 doesn't intimidate me I mean there was a 359 00:15:13,949 --> 00:15:10,959 time when the people who believed the 360 00:15:16,529 --> 00:15:13,959 earth was not the center of the solar 361 00:15:18,359 --> 00:15:16,539 system and early of the universe and but 362 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:18,369 in fact was just a planet going around a 363 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:21,519 star we're in the tiny tiny minority and 364 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:23,019 they could get killed for expressing 365 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:23,930 their opinion 366 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:26,089 uh but obviously hardly anybody thinks 367 00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:28,130 that way anymore so everything changed 368 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:30,800 so but you know it took maybe a long 369 00:15:34,510 --> 00:15:32,450 time for everything to change but the 370 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:34,520 pace of change seems to be accelerating 371 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:37,130 these days and I would argue that well 372 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:39,710 within our lifetimes the perspective 373 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:42,050 that I just articulated will become the 374 00:15:48,579 --> 00:15:45,649 dominant theme and but I may be wrong 375 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:48,589 you know maybe I just don't know that's 376 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:50,120 all fine to speculate and all that I 377 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,850 just speculation give me some data you 378 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:54,320 know i just gave you some data and I 379 00:16:00,100 --> 00:15:56,720 said you know this whole skeptical thing 380 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:00,110 which is is just spreads like wildfire 381 00:16:03,850 --> 00:16:02,060 on on the internet you gotta something 382 00:16:06,850 --> 00:16:03,860 like reddit or or something like that or 383 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:06,860 Wikipedia I mean the Wikipedia is what 384 00:16:12,579 --> 00:16:08,930 the second or third fourth largest 385 00:16:15,579 --> 00:16:12,589 website in the world dominated by that 386 00:16:18,449 --> 00:16:15,589 view dominate you cannot get a word in 387 00:16:20,889 --> 00:16:18,459 edgewise with those people so you know I 388 00:16:23,079 --> 00:16:20,899 you're sort of devoting your time to 389 00:16:24,699 --> 00:16:23,089 locking horns with him I actually pay 390 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:24,709 any attention to him I'm kind of in this 391 00:16:30,070 --> 00:16:27,200 other world you know like I don't think 392 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:30,080 I really don't know I mean I split my 393 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:32,170 time I just think we got to kind of be 394 00:16:38,590 --> 00:16:34,910 reality based and maybe that's a way to 395 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:38,600 segue into uh this conference that i 396 00:16:43,180 --> 00:16:40,790 think is interesting because what i want 397 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:43,190 to explore with you hey i am let me back 398 00:16:48,699 --> 00:16:45,800 up and say as you've heard me say many 399 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:48,709 times I'm a big big supporter of bat gap 400 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:52,130 I think it's an extremely important show 401 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:56,020 and its importance goes beyond this 402 00:17:01,510 --> 00:16:57,770 community of people seeking 403 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:01,520 enlightenment I think it extends to all 404 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:06,050 sorts of people who just have this this 405 00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:09,800 this yearning to know is there something 406 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,559 more is there anything more and I think 407 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:14,720 what bad cap does is say oh yeah there's 408 00:17:19,449 --> 00:17:16,370 a hell of a lot more there's this more 409 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,459 that more there's 50,000 flavors maybe 410 00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:21,199 that's an exaggeration but on your show 411 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:25,880 what 200 300 400 flavors of something 412 00:17:31,090 --> 00:17:28,880 more pick your own and if you go there I 413 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:31,100 think you can't help but come away and 414 00:17:36,910 --> 00:17:34,550 say wow can I really try and jam all 415 00:17:38,890 --> 00:17:36,920 that experience the 416 00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:38,900 you share can I really try and jam that 417 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:42,500 back into this kind of scripted idea you 418 00:17:47,170 --> 00:17:44,870 know this I am nothing you know I came 419 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:47,180 from nothing I go to nothing kind of 420 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:49,630 ideal that's where I think back cap fits 421 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:51,890 yeah and I think if people are really 422 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:55,790 locked into the materialistic worldview 423 00:18:00,370 --> 00:17:58,400 they're not going to stick with that gap 424 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:00,380 too long or it's going to drive them 425 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:02,990 crazy because you know week after week 426 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:04,970 after week there's somebody expressing 427 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:07,970 on the basis of their own experience you 428 00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:10,340 know the contrary worldview you know 429 00:18:15,610 --> 00:18:11,960 that we are consciousness and that 430 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:15,620 there's a vast range of experience 431 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:17,480 available to us and that we're just kind 432 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:19,310 of on the crust most of us of the 433 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:21,440 surface and you can dive deep and 434 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:25,460 explore the whole kit kaboodle so and 435 00:18:30,490 --> 00:18:27,500 you know that's my audience and I don't 436 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:30,500 try to I mean it's fun talking to people 437 00:18:36,430 --> 00:18:32,570 who are somewhat skeptical I still like 438 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:36,440 to get sam Harris on the show but it's I 439 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:39,110 don't know why but well because he has 440 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:42,260 an interesting approach which is that he 441 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:44,300 has a schizophrenic kind of approach 442 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:46,340 that I think is interesting to explore 443 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:51,170 how folks can be wanting to stay one 444 00:18:57,790 --> 00:18:54,760 foot in this kind of absurd 445 00:18:59,560 --> 00:18:57,800 materialistic biological robot thing 446 00:19:02,560 --> 00:18:59,570 which he wants to stay in and at the 447 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:02,570 same time he wants like it it's like a 448 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:04,490 guilt thing he wants a deal with the 449 00:19:09,340 --> 00:19:06,070 fact that he knows that that's 450 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:09,350 fundamentally contradicted by this other 451 00:19:13,180 --> 00:19:10,970 experience he has I'm all for you 452 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:13,190 getting him on I just think it's rather 453 00:19:18,550 --> 00:19:15,710 he's a-come a comical character to me 454 00:19:20,110 --> 00:19:18,560 well I find him interesting because of 455 00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:20,120 what you just said it so it's sort of 456 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:21,680 like he has one foot on the dock and one 457 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:23,330 foot in a boat and the boat is kind of 458 00:19:26,910 --> 00:19:25,010 floating away from the dock and at some 459 00:19:30,340 --> 00:19:26,920 point he's going to fall in the water 460 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:30,350 you know because he's an ardent Buddha a 461 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:32,510 meditation practitioner and it seems to 462 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:34,730 me that if his if his meditation is 463 00:19:39,790 --> 00:19:37,010 fruitful it's got up trying to show him 464 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:39,800 at some point that the materialistic 465 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:43,160 worldview is unfounded and you know it 466 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:44,570 he'll refute it through his own 467 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:46,310 experience and he insists on direct 468 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:48,530 experience as the final arbiter of truth 469 00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:50,300 he feels like a lot of harm has been 470 00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:52,190 the humanity through believing things 471 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:53,750 that we don't actually can't actually 472 00:19:56,830 --> 00:19:55,700 experience and I'm with him on that you 473 00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:56,840 know anyway we're going off on a tangent 474 00:20:01,630 --> 00:19:59,330 except for his beliefs right but like 475 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:01,640 all atheists except for his beliefs 476 00:20:06,850 --> 00:20:04,910 those are of course propelling mankind 477 00:20:09,790 --> 00:20:06,860 forward in in ways that we can only 478 00:20:13,570 --> 00:20:09,800 imagine I mentioned the deepak recently 479 00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:13,580 in deepak said he's he's a naive realist 480 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,100 you know what that means no God doing 481 00:20:19,690 --> 00:20:17,600 well I'd have to look it up again on 482 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:19,700 Wikipedia but basically it's someone who 483 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:21,740 does believe that the external world is 484 00:20:29,050 --> 00:20:25,760 real and you know more or less as we see 485 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:29,060 it and it has instead of an intrinsic or 486 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:31,490 inherent so substance or reality to it 487 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:34,610 and you know the cutting edge of physics 488 00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:38,330 says otherwise so you know it like like 489 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,920 the other scientists that you mentioned 490 00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:42,320 that the predominant scientific paradigm 491 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:45,620 seems to be clinging to a world view 492 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:48,710 that the leading edge of physics says 493 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:51,410 you know refuted nearly 100 years ago 494 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:52,730 it's just taken a while for the rest of 495 00:20:59,710 --> 00:20:56,210 them to catch up so what are the 496 00:21:04,030 --> 00:20:59,720 prospects then for this community that 497 00:21:06,730 --> 00:21:04,040 you are a part of and you see growing in 498 00:21:08,590 --> 00:21:06,740 is represented in the science and 499 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:08,600 non-duality conference that you went and 500 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,850 I'm hoping you can kind of bring us up 501 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:12,320 to date on what that conference is like 502 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,370 I know you're not officially 503 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:15,440 representing them by any means but it's 504 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:16,910 just kind of an interesting touch point 505 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:19,580 to kind of talk about what is it about 506 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:21,650 this community what is the the non 507 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:23,630 duality community that you are part of 508 00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:27,080 what is that all about well I'd say one 509 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:28,220 of the first thing that pops in my mind 510 00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:30,650 is that the people most of people who 511 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,400 attend that conference are kind of a 512 00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:36,080 same as I am as you described earlier in 513 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:38,900 terms of being very kind of accepting of 514 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,850 all the different viewpoints and 515 00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:42,320 perspectives and so on that are 516 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:43,940 presented their you you don't really 517 00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:45,860 find anybody arguing that my way is the 518 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:48,230 highway and all you other people are 519 00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,330 wrong you know there's a there's a real 520 00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:52,880 appreciation for the the multi-faceted 521 00:21:59,140 --> 00:21:57,260 nature of human experience and the fact 522 00:22:00,760 --> 00:21:59,150 that we've all sort of got a feel of the 523 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:00,770 elephant that's a little bit different 524 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:02,690 than everybody else's feel if you know 525 00:22:07,210 --> 00:22:04,130 that metaphor 526 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:07,220 and so there's kind of like this 527 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:09,890 diversity and unity kind of quality at 528 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:12,410 the conference where you have all kinds 529 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:14,510 of spiritual people I even smell a 530 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:18,140 little marijuana the last one and the at 531 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:20,390 all sorts of scientific people and poets 532 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:23,510 and musicians I mean you know just a 533 00:22:28,510 --> 00:22:26,210 real potpourri of different types of 534 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:28,520 people who are you know on the surface 535 00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:30,950 in terms of their backgrounds and and 536 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:33,380 their their activities apparently quite 537 00:22:37,570 --> 00:22:35,090 different from one another but there's 538 00:22:39,850 --> 00:22:37,580 this kind of underlying unity or harmony 539 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:39,860 that seems quite predominant and and so 540 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:41,810 the atmosphere is really rich and very 541 00:22:46,570 --> 00:22:43,700 energetic I mean there's a lot of Shakti 542 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:46,580 in the air like I can only sleep a few 543 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:47,960 hours a night when I was there because 544 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:50,230 there's just so much energy in the place 545 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:52,910 so it's very kind of and there's about 546 00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,890 five or six things going on at once most 547 00:22:58,750 --> 00:22:56,960 of the time during the day so unless you 548 00:23:00,280 --> 00:22:58,760 have the by location city you have to 549 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:00,290 kind of choose to do this that or the 550 00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:03,740 other thing but anyway it's a lot of fun 551 00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:05,750 out there are other conferences that are 552 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,100 held here and there throughout the world 553 00:23:12,550 --> 00:23:08,720 I don't know of anything that's quite as 554 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:12,560 big as this or quite as diverse and has 555 00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:14,510 such an interesting collection of people 556 00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:19,220 at it in a broader sense what do you 557 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:22,600 think is going on with this 558 00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:25,070 enlightenment community i guess if we 559 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,230 can call it that you are a part of that 560 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:29,600 this conference is a part of you you 561 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:32,050 seem to be very optimistic that it's 562 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:34,700 it's really point not only pointing in a 563 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:36,290 new direction but has some momentum 564 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:39,110 behind it and is changing our culture 565 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:42,940 our view on science our view on religion 566 00:23:50,770 --> 00:23:46,820 what are your thoughts on that I do and 567 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:50,780 maybe it's just my own wishful thinking 568 00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:53,570 but I really feel that you know most 569 00:24:00,220 --> 00:23:57,950 major social trends are we're not 570 00:24:02,380 --> 00:24:00,230 foreseen by the people who were living 571 00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:02,390 in any particular age you know no one in 572 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:03,980 the 1800's could have predicted what 573 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:06,890 life would be like now for instance all 574 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:09,170 our technological advancements all sorts 575 00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:10,850 of other things gay marriage I mean just 576 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:12,500 all these different things that that are 577 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:14,420 becoming kind of the norm now have 578 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:16,670 become the norm and I think that you 579 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:16,850 know 580 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:20,420 the most significant thing of all in 581 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:23,750 human life is spiritual development or 582 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:26,450 spiritual awakening and it's been some 583 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:28,190 you know and people have been interested 584 00:24:33,490 --> 00:24:30,530 in it I mean all the religions are faint 585 00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:33,500 remnants of a ridge of you know revivals 586 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:35,870 of that experience which are you know 587 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:37,850 we're soon distorted and corrupted and 588 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:42,650 turned into you know just belief systems 589 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:46,550 but i think that there's awakening 590 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:48,740 taking place now which is unprecedented 591 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:51,530 and someone said the next buddha is the 592 00:24:56,110 --> 00:24:54,050 sangha sangha means like the community 593 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:56,120 not as opposed to you know someone 594 00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:58,970 individual and it seems like you know 595 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:01,010 the communications we have available to 596 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,470 us now have for the first time in human 597 00:25:08,890 --> 00:25:06,080 history made it possible for a show like 598 00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:08,900 mine to be on the air or yours and for 599 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:12,440 there to be a kind of a mass awakening 600 00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:14,780 as opposed to just one that takes place 601 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:17,150 in a small geographic region and it is 602 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:19,790 you know eventually propagates around 603 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:22,010 the world but is pretty much lost by the 604 00:25:27,730 --> 00:25:24,410 time it has propagated so so there's 605 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,740 this kind of epidemic thing going on and 606 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:30,320 there may be you know if you've where of 607 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:33,110 the hundredth monkey story where monkeys 608 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:35,270 on you know one island began learning 609 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:37,430 how to wash their yams and eat them so 610 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:39,170 they weren't sandy and and at a certain 611 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:41,030 point when enough monkey started to do 612 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:42,860 that monkeys on another Island also had 613 00:25:47,290 --> 00:25:45,980 picked it up so there could be it seems 614 00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,300 to be there's something going on that 615 00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:49,520 can't be ignored and it's going to 616 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:54,500 result in changes in the world that the 617 00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:56,600 average person doesn't see coming it's 618 00:26:02,440 --> 00:25:59,450 not predicted on the discussed on the 619 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:02,450 evening news but there's a momentum 620 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:04,220 building which i think is unstoppable 621 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:06,530 and which at some point is going to kind 622 00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:09,410 of create a phase transition a shift you 623 00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:11,000 know you know the word phase transition 624 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:13,940 when water is it like what is what is 625 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:16,250 water boil at 212 degrees Fahrenheit at 626 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:18,620 sea level if when waters at 211 degrees 627 00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:20,450 it doesn't seem like very much is going 628 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:22,820 on it's just hot water but as soon as it 629 00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:24,770 reaches 212 it starts boiling and turns 630 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:26,360 to steam you wouldn't have known that 631 00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:29,930 was coming at 211 degrees so I don't 632 00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:31,070 know how close we are to 633 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:32,600 thing really dramatic happening but we 634 00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:34,730 but or even if anything dramatic is 635 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:37,700 going to happen but I think it's 636 00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:39,470 altogether likely and we could be closer 637 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:43,340 than we think you know I love to think 638 00:26:49,570 --> 00:26:47,450 that that's true I have doubts and part 639 00:26:52,509 --> 00:26:49,580 of my doubts and I don't see this really 640 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:52,519 being addressed by the Enlightenment 641 00:26:58,570 --> 00:26:55,250 community or the non duality community 642 00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:58,580 whatever term we want to use is how 643 00:27:04,570 --> 00:27:01,730 would that work I mean I just don't see 644 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:04,580 how that would really work given our 645 00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:07,090 culture and I mentioned our science 646 00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:10,100 given our religion I mean I think the 647 00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:15,740 whole notion of this deep awareness of 648 00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:19,000 consciousness being somehow fundamental 649 00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,039 completely it it makes it makes science 650 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:27,200 an oxymoron you know it's jumbo shrimp 651 00:27:33,639 --> 00:27:30,769 it's a military intelligence it's 652 00:27:35,409 --> 00:27:33,649 science no there there is no science 653 00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:35,419 there is no measurement we're looking at 654 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:37,519 the wrong through the long wrong end of 655 00:27:40,749 --> 00:27:39,049 the telescope that's what you're telling 656 00:27:42,639 --> 00:27:40,759 us that's what the consciousness 657 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,649 community is telling us is that we're 658 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:45,200 creating all this why do we need to try 659 00:27:53,289 --> 00:27:50,200 and jam it back into some scientific 660 00:27:56,049 --> 00:27:53,299 understanding I mean science is a 661 00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:56,059 process it's not a position I get it 662 00:28:00,700 --> 00:27:58,309 it's a set of tools that we can use and 663 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:00,710 apply to anything I get it but hey 664 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:04,250 science is also a cultural phenomena 665 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:07,190 sciences what we what we teach our kids 666 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:10,070 what we know what we talked about and 667 00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:13,700 write about in in magazines why do we 668 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:16,700 expect that that could be merged with 669 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:20,090 this greater awareness I don't think it 670 00:28:26,409 --> 00:28:24,169 fits so you're saying I mean all right 671 00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:26,419 maybe I hear you saying that you know 672 00:28:30,669 --> 00:28:28,820 why are these spiritual people even 673 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:30,679 bothering to interact with scientists 674 00:28:35,129 --> 00:28:32,450 why worry about their whole trip why not 675 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:35,139 just pursue your spirituality and and 676 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:37,490 you know enjoy it are you saying that on 677 00:28:41,289 --> 00:28:39,620 I'm not saying that I think I'm saying 678 00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:41,299 you know we're both interviewers rights 679 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:43,000 for both 680 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:46,630 I think what I'm getting at is how would 681 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:50,110 you run culture differently and then 682 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:52,750 really break that down and what you wind 683 00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:55,210 up with is the same kind of goofy 684 00:29:00,450 --> 00:28:58,030 political squabble as we get into anyway 685 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,460 so when I hear people talking about a 686 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:03,580 phase change a transformation of 687 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:05,920 consciousness all that I'm like well we 688 00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:08,230 and and what does that mean to you where 689 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:10,360 does that lead how does that how does 690 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:13,300 that get us in a different place I don't 691 00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:16,510 see it well maybe what you're alluding 692 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:20,320 to is the fact that all that there are 693 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:22,120 so many entrenched things in this world 694 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:23,740 you know I mean you were talking earlier 695 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:26,290 about scientific paradigms and then 696 00:29:31,050 --> 00:29:27,640 there there's the whole military 697 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:31,060 industrial state governments and you 698 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:32,290 know there's there's so many things that 699 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:34,030 really seem to have a lot of money allow 700 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:35,740 power and let's break it down even 701 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:38,770 further there's there's racial tensions 702 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:42,340 ethnic tensions religious tensions this 703 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:43,870 isn't a new phenomenon this has been 704 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:46,210 going on for thousands of years how does 705 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:48,910 any of this change you know even among 706 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:50,770 the you do a wonderful job of bringing 707 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:52,540 together all these different traditions 708 00:29:58,410 --> 00:29:55,450 but where you really go is kind of off 709 00:29:59,970 --> 00:29:58,420 the off the reservation if you will and 710 00:30:02,040 --> 00:29:59,980 a lot of people that have said hey you 711 00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:02,050 know what those traditions don't really 712 00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:04,540 serve me anymore so I've kind of gone 713 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:07,300 and done it myself but now you're 714 00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:09,640 talking about you know from a global 715 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:12,340 standpoint just a small small small 716 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:14,370 fraction of people that would ever 717 00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:17,290 conceive of making that kind of leap or 718 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:19,720 have the ability to do it through their 719 00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:21,370 their cultural background and their 720 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:23,500 training and all the rest of that well 721 00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,870 the number of examples I could give you 722 00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:27,520 to illustrate this I can think of three 723 00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:30,220 in your heart about 1% of the cells are 724 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:31,780 called pacemaker cells and they actually 725 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:33,370 regulate the beating of the whole heart 726 00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:35,860 they kind of keep it synchronized in a 727 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:39,100 laser square root of 1% of the photons 728 00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:41,890 if they become aligned with one another 729 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,440 coherent all the rest of the photons in 730 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:46,000 train with them and the whole thing 731 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:48,130 becomes as if one photon one coherent 732 00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:52,510 beam of light so there are numerous 733 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:55,480 examples in nature where a fraction of a 734 00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:56,650 certain popular 735 00:31:01,980 --> 00:30:59,530 or a group of things can actually have a 736 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,990 an influence on the whole out of 737 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,480 proportion with their numbers so there's 738 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:06,640 that thought another thought to throw in 739 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:09,850 is that another metaphor if if you want 740 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:11,500 to change the course of a river let's 741 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,050 say the Ganges you couldn't do it really 742 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:16,000 at the mouth where it enters into the 743 00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:18,220 Bay of Bengal it's the whole river has 744 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:19,870 already run its course by then and it 745 00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,910 has a great momentum to it maybe half 746 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,710 way upstream you know stretching the 747 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:24,640 metaphor because it wouldn't be 748 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:26,290 practical actually do this but half way 749 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:27,910 upstream you can maybe change the course 750 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:29,290 of half the river and it wouldn't be as 751 00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:31,060 difficult as down at the mouth but if 752 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:32,800 you could go to the source of the Ganges 753 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:35,080 up in the Himalayas someplace maybe you 754 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:36,370 could send the whole river off in a 755 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:39,430 different direction so the the metaphor 756 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:41,500 is meant to suggest that the more 757 00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:44,110 fundamental level at which you can 758 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:46,900 operate the more influential you can be 759 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:49,450 and so we have to ask ourselves what 760 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:51,550 changes culture what is it that really 761 00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:53,830 changes the way people think and the 762 00:31:58,410 --> 00:31:55,780 institutions that appear to be in 763 00:32:03,000 --> 00:31:58,420 control the politicians the corporations 764 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:03,010 and so on I would argue that the the the 765 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:06,040 lowest common denominator in every on 766 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:08,950 all of human activity is consciousness 767 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:12,580 itself and if you can have a relatively 768 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:15,010 small number of people awake to pure 769 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:17,110 consciousness and operating from that 770 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:19,450 level then their influence their impact 771 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:21,520 can be much greater than you would 772 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:24,070 expect looking at their numbers and the 773 00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:27,070 whole you know I mean the rudder of a 774 00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:28,420 ship is actually a relatively small 775 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:30,580 thing compared to the entire ship but it 776 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:32,050 can actually influence the direction of 777 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,330 the whole ship so I would argue that you 778 00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:37,840 know the more fundamental level at which 779 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:39,580 people are operating in terms of their 780 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:41,830 conscious awareness the more impact they 781 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:43,830 will have and as their numbers increase 782 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:46,600 as it appears to be happening the 783 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:49,090 likelihood of a major shift in culture 784 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:53,650 and in whole society increases Rick do 785 00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:55,450 you think that is an opinion that's 786 00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:58,150 shared by most of your guests and other 787 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:01,150 people in this in the community that 788 00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:02,620 you're talking about or do you think I 789 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:04,600 know there's a diversity of opinion of 790 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:06,940 it because the other I guess position 791 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:09,550 opinion that I kind of I guess favor 792 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:10,450 more is 793 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:12,700 kind of more of a gnostic sensibility of 794 00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:15,070 just you know this is not what this 795 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:17,550 world is for you know this world is for 796 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:20,950 people who basically are buying into the 797 00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:25,110 materialistic kind of run the planet as 798 00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:28,870 a resource kind of thing and that you 799 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:33,640 know don't get involved in that it get 800 00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:36,310 involved where you can but be selective 801 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,620 about thinking that you're going to kind 802 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:40,240 of sit on the throne control the world 803 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:41,530 and you're going to do a better job than 804 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:43,510 the idiots were already doing it the 805 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:46,270 problem is ever you know it's who would 806 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:48,790 ever want that job that's the problem is 807 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:51,430 that no one who is even the least bit 808 00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:54,730 awakened would want to to do that and 809 00:33:59,130 --> 00:33:57,160 take on all that that entails it's an 810 00:34:00,660 --> 00:33:59,140 impossible thing well first of all I 811 00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,670 think a lot of my guests would agree 812 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:02,830 with that what I just said some of them 813 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:04,180 would kind of shrug their shoulders and 814 00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:05,650 say I don't know and I don't care you 815 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:07,720 know I'm just focused on unconsciousness 816 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:09,910 here but I've heard some of them say 817 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:11,350 that but a lot of them actually do feel 818 00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:13,390 that there are social implications to 819 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:14,980 all this that's not just sort of an 820 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:17,920 individual and I exploration and one 821 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:19,570 subjective experience but that 822 00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:21,510 inevitably the individual is going to 823 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:24,160 influence the society but in light of 824 00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,850 what you just said it's not that the 825 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:28,560 spiritually enlightened individuals 826 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:32,560 become some kind of you know controlling 827 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,560 force and that their individuality in 828 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:37,720 some way begins to call the shots rather 829 00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:39,970 their individuality gets pretty much 830 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:41,710 surrendered to universal intelligence 831 00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:43,960 and they become conduits for the will of 832 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:45,700 God if you will or for the divine 833 00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:48,270 intelligence universal intelligence and 834 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:52,150 kind of enliven that in collective 835 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:53,740 consciousness by virtue of their own 836 00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:56,020 experience of it so that that can 837 00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:57,820 predominate more if you read the doll 838 00:35:01,380 --> 00:34:59,590 teaching for instance loud so talks 839 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:01,390 about you know various degrees of 840 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:05,470 government and and you know the ideally 841 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,080 a government would hardly even exist or 842 00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:10,000 no no one would know it existed because 843 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:12,100 everyone would be so much in tune with 844 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,660 the doll that their action would be 845 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:16,480 spontaneously in accordance with cosmic 846 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:18,700 intelligence or whatever term he used so 847 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,420 that's the kind of thing I'm talking 848 00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:21,520 about I'm not talking about some some 849 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:23,140 little cadre of enlightened people 850 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:25,990 sitting behind you know monitor kind of 851 00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:27,430 pulling the strings and controlling the 852 00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:28,600 world I'm talking about something much 853 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:31,030 more fundamental and organic in which 854 00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:33,970 the whole society settles down to a more 855 00:35:39,090 --> 00:35:35,860 natural and harmonious way of 856 00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:39,100 functioning by virtue of Greater you 857 00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:41,020 know abundance of people who function 858 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,430 that way themselves nice how odd love 859 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:48,310 the idea I I don't think any of the 860 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:52,210 people in power out of every what star 861 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:55,690 shuttle yet the prospect of of that kind 862 00:36:01,110 --> 00:35:58,090 of a revolution happening but little do 863 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:01,120 they know what it'll do ring let's talk 864 00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:02,980 about something else that I think is an 865 00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:05,580 issue that I think is really really 866 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:10,030 interesting and I think central to your 867 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,970 community and has direct implications of 868 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:14,880 some of the questions we've looked at on 869 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:17,500 skeptic oh and that gets back to this 870 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:21,390 issue of experience you know because I 871 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:25,900 think there's such a kind of interesting 872 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:29,530 play that we have with experience and in 873 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,110 particular with experience and these 874 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:33,760 tools of science that we're talking 875 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,950 about because experience can only get 876 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:41,920 you so far in that it's your experience 877 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:44,710 and that that experience takes on a 878 00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:48,790 deeper and a richer meaning when we look 879 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:50,920 at it in the broader sense of other 880 00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:53,110 people's experience so again that's a 881 00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,590 wonderful gift that you bring to to 882 00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:58,750 people through bat gap and sometimes 883 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:01,420 that that comes up in some rather I 884 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:02,890 don't know all those uncomfortable 885 00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:05,230 moments when you talk to people who are 886 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:07,840 very fixed fixated on the fact that 887 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:09,490 their experience is it and their 888 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:11,350 experience you know met is the only one 889 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:12,610 that matters and you kind of gently 890 00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:15,730 guide them towards kind of other ideas 891 00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:17,860 other positions that other people have 892 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,470 so I think that's it I run into that too 893 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:23,920 in in with skeptical you know you go 894 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,600 into near-death experience and someone 895 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:27,490 will have a near-death experience a 896 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:29,650 transformational spiritual experience in 897 00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:33,010 logo therefore this is it because this 898 00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:36,100 was my experience and 899 00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:38,080 those cases I think it's useful to pull 900 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:40,270 people back a little bit and say well 901 00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:42,670 look if you have some scientific data 902 00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:44,350 here we've done some good scientific 903 00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,420 surveys and we've looked at this across 904 00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:48,160 cultures we've also looked at this 905 00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:50,550 through these other lenses these other 906 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:53,500 qualifiers that we can what about this 907 00:38:00,030 --> 00:37:56,170 dance with experience and this 908 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:00,040 willingness to let go of our experience 909 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:03,550 a little bit in order to kind of bring 910 00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:05,410 in the broader experience of other 911 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:07,900 people well if you compare the kind of 912 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:09,370 people I'm talking about like the kind 913 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:10,450 of people who would attend that 914 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:13,330 conference for instance with you know 915 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:15,640 people who are in various political 916 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:18,270 parties or who are in various religions 917 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:21,250 who you know are literally killing each 918 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:24,310 other over their certainty of their own 919 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:27,490 correctness you know and their own you 920 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:28,950 know the certainty of their own beliefs 921 00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:32,610 there's a much more relaxed light 922 00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:35,860 easygoing sort of orientation among 923 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:37,750 people who are actually having genuine 924 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:39,640 experience of these deeper levels of 925 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:42,730 life I mean the the deeper and more 926 00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:45,540 genuine your actual experiences the more 927 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:47,950 universal you become in your thinking 928 00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:50,380 the more accepting and and you know 929 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:52,630 appreciative of others you become in 930 00:38:59,310 --> 00:38:57,490 your thinking so you know I guess that 931 00:39:01,860 --> 00:38:59,320 sort of answers you're sure about that I 932 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:01,870 mean you'd you'd hold to that I mean 933 00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:04,270 that has some you know if you pull on 934 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,700 that string too far it kind of has some 935 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:10,960 uncomfortable implications in terms of 936 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:13,000 saying well this is best this is a 937 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:15,250 better path you know there's some kind 938 00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:16,810 of and then it gets into moral you know 939 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:18,820 there's a moral imperative that we're 940 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:20,890 going towards you know and some things 941 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:22,570 that make people uncomfortable that 942 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:25,450 sound very unscientific then you know 943 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:27,340 yeah well some people are that way and 944 00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:29,290 you know there are non dual 945 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:31,990 fundamentalists who you know terrorize 946 00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:35,290 the chat groups and insist upon their 947 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:37,120 rightness and are very critical of 948 00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:39,490 others and and so on and so forth so you 949 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:41,470 know i would say regarding them that 950 00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,230 they're non dualism is probably much 951 00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:46,180 more conceptual than it is experiential 952 00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:49,420 and that you know in my opinion genuine 953 00:39:51,959 --> 00:39:49,839 experience 954 00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:51,969 erience does make one more broad-minded 955 00:39:57,209 --> 00:39:56,140 and accepting and tolerant and and you 956 00:40:00,599 --> 00:39:57,219 know and that's the whole problem with 957 00:40:03,479 --> 00:40:00,609 religion is that you know most of these 958 00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:03,489 people don't have even a taste of the 959 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:05,619 experience that the founder of their 960 00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:07,180 religion was probably talking about 961 00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:10,180 they're just stuck with beliefs what 962 00:40:14,609 --> 00:40:12,969 they've read in some book and and so you 963 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:14,619 know the the the awareness is very 964 00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,140 narrow and one is very rigid and adamant 965 00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:19,599 about one's beliefs and it and therefore 966 00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:21,999 they clash with everybody else's beliefs 967 00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:24,519 but genuine spiritual experience if you 968 00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:26,140 got together the founders of every 969 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:27,940 religion in the world in a room and have 970 00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:29,410 them have a chat they'd probably just be 971 00:40:33,749 --> 00:40:31,150 having a grand old time there would be 972 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:33,759 complete you know appreciation and 973 00:40:39,749 --> 00:40:35,710 agreement upon what you know their 974 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:39,759 various perspectives so I don't know I 975 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:42,630 get what you're saying I don't know if I 976 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:44,650 totally agree because I think there's 977 00:40:48,509 --> 00:40:46,569 there's a whole flip side of that too 978 00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:48,519 and it gets out of question that I think 979 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:51,190 nas at me and that's that you know how 980 00:40:56,819 --> 00:40:54,609 does Christ consciousness continue this 981 00:40:58,650 --> 00:40:56,829 is one question you could rephrase it 982 00:41:01,079 --> 00:40:58,660 many different ways for other different 983 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:01,089 spiritual traditions but since we're in 984 00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:03,880 a judeo-christian kind of culture you 985 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:06,150 know how does Christ consciousness 986 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:10,210 continue to shine through these kind of 987 00:41:16,019 --> 00:41:14,440 goofy religions that form about it and I 988 00:41:18,329 --> 00:41:16,029 think there's some goofy religions that 989 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:18,339 seem very mainstream and there's some 990 00:41:22,049 --> 00:41:19,779 other goofy religions that we know are 991 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,059 goofy religions like Mormonism I mean 992 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:23,920 you just have to go back and look at the 993 00:41:28,170 --> 00:41:26,440 history and this guy Joseph Smith we 994 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:28,180 still have his criminal records when he 995 00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:30,460 was arrested for you know going and 996 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:33,400 pulling this same ski seeing stone scam 997 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:35,710 with other farmers before he even I mean 998 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:37,089 all this stuff is in the record books 999 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:39,849 but let me get off of that because the 1000 00:41:45,779 --> 00:41:42,009 point I'm making is that despite all 1001 00:41:48,299 --> 00:41:45,789 that it does shine through I mean so 1002 00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:48,309 it's almost the flip side of what you're 1003 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:50,979 saying is that you know if you practice 1004 00:41:57,479 --> 00:41:54,729 earnestly in any one of these traditions 1005 00:42:00,690 --> 00:41:57,489 some form of this enlightenment does 1006 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:00,700 seem and Mike in my read of it to seep 1007 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:03,550 through and I guess that's one 1008 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:05,830 teak I think I'd have of the nandu up 1009 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:08,200 non-dual community non-duality community 1010 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:12,850 is this you know and I in the you're 1011 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:14,050 right in the broader minded people they 1012 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,030 don't say it but the appreciation for 1013 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:18,640 that there's different levels and ways 1014 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:21,340 of Awakening and there isn't like this 1015 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:23,710 perfect awakening you know and 1016 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:25,900 everyone's trying to integrate whatever 1017 00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:28,210 awakening they have with the rest of 1018 00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:29,950 their life which is really the trick of 1019 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:32,680 it and that yeah there's a lot of people 1020 00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:34,810 that are caught up in what seemed to us 1021 00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:37,300 to be goofy religions and they're still 1022 00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,220 making progress despite all that 1023 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:41,640 goofiness what are your thoughts on that 1024 00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:45,580 yeah I mean in the in the name of 1025 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:47,860 broad-mindedness I would say that you 1026 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:50,110 know if people are in a goof what we 1027 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:51,790 would perceive is a goofy religion then 1028 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:53,230 it's probably the right thing for them 1029 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,570 at that time for it their level of 1030 00:43:00,570 --> 00:42:56,800 consciousness at their level of 1031 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:00,580 spiritual maturity and if they you know 1032 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:02,440 evolve or mature spiritually to the 1033 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:03,910 point at which it's no longer relevant 1034 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:05,950 to them then probably they'll find 1035 00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:07,810 something else and you see that all the 1036 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:09,550 time people are they've grown up in a 1037 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:11,410 fundamentalist cult or something and now 1038 00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,390 and then a certain point said this this 1039 00:43:17,580 --> 00:43:15,280 doesn't sit with me anymore and then 1040 00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:17,590 they've gone on to other things a person 1041 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:19,150 might spend their whole life you know 1042 00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:20,950 thinking that way and you know holding 1043 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:23,080 up placards saying god hates or 1044 00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,130 whatever you know with like that guy on 1045 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:26,560 the Westboro Baptist Church so you know 1046 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:28,650 they're always going to be nutcases and 1047 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:31,570 and but you know we're really talking 1048 00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,010 about apples and oranges to a great 1049 00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,680 extent when you compare people in 1050 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:38,140 fundamentalist cults such as maybe Isis 1051 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:40,630 or whatever with with sincere spiritual 1052 00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,430 seekers who are really who really have 1053 00:43:49,110 --> 00:43:44,910 an experiential orientation and are not 1054 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:49,120 hung up on you know what it says in some 1055 00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:50,710 book or whatever but who are really 1056 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:54,070 earnestly exploring deeper levels of 1057 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,930 consciousness that their worlds worlds 1058 00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,240 apart Oh Rick isn't that the problem 1059 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:00,730 that I was alluding to are they really 1060 00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:03,370 worlds apart well I think is a vast 1061 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:05,590 spectrum let me put it that way maybe 1062 00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:07,090 they're all on the same spectrum but 1063 00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:09,640 it's it's a broad one ok so now put 1064 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:11,560 yourself in a position of power or 1065 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:13,660 control that you want to be to change 1066 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:15,970 the world and tell me how you slice and 1067 00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:17,050 dice that 1068 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:20,440 you legislate that how you enforce that 1069 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:24,400 uh that that diversity how you promote 1070 00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:28,120 the right way of being I don't know I 1071 00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:29,980 don't know how you do it I don't think 1072 00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:31,870 in light I don't think enlightened 1073 00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:35,020 people would be into enforcing mentality 1074 00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:37,180 I me if you got Eckhart Tolle and algae 1075 00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,580 Shanti and you know Francis the CEO and 1076 00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:41,380 set some of these spiritual teachers 1077 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:43,870 they're not they don't have an enforcing 1078 00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:45,940 bone in their body you know it's just 1079 00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:47,980 not their trip it's not their Dharma I 1080 00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:51,390 mean there may be political leaders who 1081 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:54,190 you know will want to because it's their 1082 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:55,660 Dharma who want to be working on 1083 00:44:59,010 --> 00:44:57,370 legislation and this and that but they 1084 00:45:01,080 --> 00:44:59,020 are governed by collective consciousness 1085 00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:01,090 yeah but this is and this goes back to 1086 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:02,980 the conversation we had before on 1087 00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:05,350 skeptic oh hey buddy there's always the 1088 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,720 Huns who are going to come galloping 1089 00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,240 over the hill and they're going to say 1090 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,880 well you can be accepting all you want 1091 00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:14,920 because I got something you're going to 1092 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:17,320 accept it's my way and that's the way 1093 00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,450 we're going to do it I mean that is the 1094 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:23,200 reality of of history that we've lived 1095 00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:24,970 through that's the only history we know 1096 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:28,030 is of conquest and people who want to 1097 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,610 conquer other people I don't know how 1098 00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:32,460 you think we're going to somehow 1099 00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:35,800 transcend that when at the very moment 1100 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:38,020 that we're talking about you have this 1101 00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:39,580 experience with all these wonderful 1102 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:41,620 people who are enlightened and at the 1103 00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:44,290 same time we can just turn on the news 1104 00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:45,940 and see a bunch of people who obviously 1105 00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:48,040 aren't very enlightened and that's 1106 00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:49,960 always going to be the way it is we're 1107 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:52,060 not everyone's going to magically change 1108 00:45:58,740 --> 00:45:54,570 I think it really depends on what the 1109 00:46:01,380 --> 00:45:58,750 the ambient level of consciousness is in 1110 00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,390 the world as a whole and you know I can 1111 00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:04,720 imagine a world in which the the kind of 1112 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:07,300 predominant consciousness is so high so 1113 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:09,850 pure that you know they're just wouldn't 1114 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:11,770 be those elements to which you allude 1115 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,650 but that is not our world at the present 1116 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:16,660 time and I you know I could bring up the 1117 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:19,090 point that perhaps you know spiritual 1118 00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:22,900 people will will sort of generate some 1119 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:25,780 kind of good vibes that that will 1120 00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:28,930 prevent them from from being invaded by 1121 00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:30,340 the Huns but look what happened to the 1122 00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:30,820 Tibetan 1123 00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:32,950 in China Tibet you know with the Chinese 1124 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:35,230 invasion most of them got murdered so I 1125 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:36,730 don't want to give any simplistic or 1126 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:39,310 glib answers but but the broader 1127 00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:41,650 principle and we can take this as a hype 1128 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:45,640 working hypothesis is that there is you 1129 00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:47,350 know there's a certain individuals have 1130 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:49,000 a certain level of consciousness groups 1131 00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:50,410 have a certain level of group 1132 00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:52,270 consciousness countries have a certain 1133 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:53,590 level of country consciousness and the 1134 00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:55,390 globe as a whole has a certain level of 1135 00:47:00,210 --> 00:46:58,210 consciousness and you know at our 1136 00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,220 current level of world consciousness 1137 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:02,800 it's quite inevitable and natural that 1138 00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:04,330 there are all kinds of conflicts and 1139 00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:06,280 slavery and all kinds of horrible things 1140 00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:08,860 happening maybe not as bad as it was 500 1141 00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:10,620 years ago there have been improvements 1142 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:14,320 but theoretically at least we could 1143 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:16,510 imagine world consciousness rising much 1144 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:19,210 higher and having a much more ideal 1145 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:21,090 world a much more peaceful world 1146 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:23,710 spontaneously naturally with leaders and 1147 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:27,010 politicians and so on who just enact let 1148 00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:28,690 you know legislation if it takes 1149 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,600 legislation that is in tune with a more 1150 00:47:36,090 --> 00:47:34,000 enlightened perspective but they can't 1151 00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:36,100 do it if the world consciousness is low 1152 00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:38,440 you could put you know God incarnate 1153 00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:41,260 into the president's see and he wouldn't 1154 00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:43,300 be able to do much if the general 1155 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:48,100 collective consciousness is low okay let 1156 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:49,690 me touch on a couple other things that 1157 00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:52,870 we talked about here inside a skeptic oh 1158 00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:55,960 and i'm interested in terms of what your 1159 00:48:00,590 --> 00:47:58,030 community kind of feels about and that 1160 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:00,600 first would be UFOs and an 1161 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:03,010 extraterrestrial presence and an 1162 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:05,230 extraterrestrial consciousness that 1163 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:08,470 really if you're halfway honest about 1164 00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:11,170 looking at the data it's just the 1165 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:14,680 reality of that is inescapable not that 1166 00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:17,260 I know what that reality is but that 1167 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:19,840 there is some reality to it and it is 1168 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:23,770 being controlled and hidden from us to 1169 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,470 me seems like just the inescapable truth 1170 00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:28,720 it's just what the data says what are 1171 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:31,180 what are you and in your community 1172 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:34,330 generally how do they process that well 1173 00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:36,040 I agree with you I very much have that 1174 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,390 same perspective and I've gone through 1175 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:39,280 phases of being very fascinated with 1176 00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,570 that whole thing of reading books about 1177 00:48:43,770 --> 00:48:42,160 it and everything I definitely think 1178 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:43,780 there's something going on I'd like to 1179 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:44,630 get Steven 1180 00:48:47,740 --> 00:48:45,770 you're on the show or somebody like that 1181 00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:47,750 at some point just to talk about the 1182 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,580 spiritual dimension of the whole UFO 1183 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:51,380 phenomenon that would be my angle on it 1184 00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:56,270 I don't know what percentage of people 1185 00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:58,610 I've interviewed would have an opinion 1186 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:00,440 about it or whether their opinion would 1187 00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:02,680 would resonate with ours yours in mine 1188 00:49:06,970 --> 00:49:05,120 but that's my orientation I think 1189 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:06,980 there's really something going on it's 1190 00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:10,130 very interesting I think it has serious 1191 00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:13,880 implications for the world and it you 1192 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:15,560 know but it's spiritual development of 1193 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:17,210 the world perhaps even the technological 1194 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:19,010 development of the world I don't know 1195 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:20,600 how that's all going to pan out whether 1196 00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:22,370 we'll actually see concrete evidence of 1197 00:49:26,890 --> 00:49:24,560 it in our lifetimes you know the 1198 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:26,900 proverbial UFO on the White House lawn 1199 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:29,450 but I think it's exciting and I'd love 1200 00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:31,490 to see something happen I think crop 1201 00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:33,320 circles are fascinating I think a lot of 1202 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:35,240 them aren't explainable most of Martok's 1203 00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:37,010 many of them are explainable by any 1204 00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:39,710 conventional explanation so that's a 1205 00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:41,540 fascinating thing I mean you just got my 1206 00:49:45,070 --> 00:49:43,460 head I got my hat handed to me on the 1207 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:45,080 crop circles so we got a shy away from 1208 00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:46,970 that right stay with Matt for now but 1209 00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:49,700 yeah it's an interesting thing but let 1210 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:51,080 me interject there it's hard to cut you 1211 00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:52,730 off but the crop circle thing I ate my 1212 00:49:55,210 --> 00:49:53,780 lunch which is good it's a humbling 1213 00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:55,220 experience to go out and say because I 1214 00:50:01,690 --> 00:49:57,110 said the same thing you did and I think 1215 00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:01,700 I was I was persuaded that IIIi can't be 1216 00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:03,320 too strong and saying that there's a lot 1217 00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:06,920 of evidence that the vast majority of 1218 00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:09,620 them are man-made and then once you get 1219 00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,940 past that what are you really talking 1220 00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:12,880 about you it it changes the whole 1221 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:15,620 discussion but okay and I don't have a 1222 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:17,450 ax to grind on that whole thing is just 1223 00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:19,730 you know I have a very layman's you know 1224 00:50:22,990 --> 00:50:21,860 experience of it looks interesting looks 1225 00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:23,000 like something's going on but you could 1226 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:25,220 probably convince me otherwise so what 1227 00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:28,490 do you make what's your gut feel for why 1228 00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:32,990 there isn't more kind of concrete is 1229 00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:35,120 maybe the wrong term but solid 1230 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:39,680 experiential data coming back from your 1231 00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,050 group about that why aren't more people 1232 00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:44,720 a lot why aren't more people sitting 1233 00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:48,580 down going to that plane of all-knowing 1234 00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:51,920 existence incoming bankim yeah there's 1235 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,960 et right there and here's what they're 1236 00:50:58,050 --> 00:50:56,000 saying I know there's some very few 1237 00:51:02,040 --> 00:50:58,060 people to do but why isn't that more 1238 00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:02,050 common I think it's a whole you know 1239 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:03,400 it's one thing to experience pure 1240 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:04,930 consciousness but it's another thing to 1241 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:06,850 actually develop what they call cities 1242 00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,490 where you can you can explore and 1243 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:12,160 investigate subtle phenomenon that are 1244 00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:13,930 not apparent to the you no ordinary 1245 00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:16,270 senses and there are a number of people 1246 00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:19,660 whom I've interviewed who do say that 1247 00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:23,230 they routinely talk to or experience or 1248 00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:26,980 perceive celestial beings and gods and 1249 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:30,070 other levels of existence and that's 1250 00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:31,510 very much congruent with my 1251 00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:32,980 understanding of things which is again 1252 00:51:35,970 --> 00:51:34,660 like you know using the ocean analogy 1253 00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:35,980 that we're just kind of floating on the 1254 00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,020 surface and that there's a vast range of 1255 00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:41,200 subtle realms and those realms are as 1256 00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:43,840 populated with intelligent life as the 1257 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:47,260 you know world around us is and I I've 1258 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:48,730 interviewed a number of people who 1259 00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:50,890 actually experienced that routinely as 1260 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:52,300 routinely as you and I experienced 1261 00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:55,330 people as we walk through the mall so 1262 00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:57,310 and maybe some of that life is 1263 00:52:01,200 --> 00:51:59,530 extraterrestrial and maybe some of maybe 1264 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:01,210 some of what is sometimes thought to be 1265 00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,610 extraterrestrial is actually terrestrial 1266 00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:05,440 it's just subtle among the whole 1267 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:07,000 community of people who are into 1268 00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:09,610 spiritual stuff and into awakening and 1269 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:11,950 who have awakened perhaps only a subset 1270 00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:15,010 of those have opened to subtle 1271 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:18,040 perception most of them are just sort of 1272 00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:20,890 into kind of the self-realization stage 1273 00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:23,140 without having develop the kind of 1274 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:25,780 refined perception that would be needed 1275 00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:28,450 to experience these these subtler 1276 00:52:33,810 --> 00:52:30,990 phenomenon or subtler beings and so on 1277 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:33,820 great and then I guess the final area 1278 00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:35,620 that I just want to chat a little bit 1279 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:38,500 about is related in a way and that's the 1280 00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:42,460 near-death experience phenomena and how 1281 00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:46,500 do you think that fits into this 1282 00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:49,240 layering that you're talking about if 1283 00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:52,660 that's one way to look at it or just in 1284 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,150 general what is your sense of what's 1285 00:52:59,970 --> 00:52:58,240 going on there well anita moorjani was 1286 00:53:01,620 --> 00:52:59,980 my most popular interview of all time 1287 00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:01,630 actually she has more views on YouTube 1288 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:04,360 than any of the other ones and in any 1289 00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:06,730 case I think that I think it's very 1290 00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,580 relevant in a way because it shows 1291 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:10,960 people very 1292 00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:13,090 like even Alexander for instance who 1293 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:15,820 were locked into a very materialistic 1294 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:18,250 worldview that there's a whole other 1295 00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,860 world you know that that is just kind of 1296 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:23,680 has been eluding us because we've been 1297 00:53:30,270 --> 00:53:26,260 we've been sort of you know focused on 1298 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:30,280 on just the gross phenomena and so it's 1299 00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,690 cool when these people have these 1300 00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:33,520 experiences and come back to report them 1301 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:36,520 and and it's in it gives people greater 1302 00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:37,930 conviction that there's more to life 1303 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:40,780 than meets the eye I think that 1304 00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:42,490 obviously we can't all wouldn't want 1305 00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:44,500 wouldn't all want to have near-death 1306 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:47,500 experiences there are safer and easier 1307 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:50,680 ways of tapping into the transcendent 1308 00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:53,860 and and you know exploring these deeper 1309 00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:56,590 realms of experience but for some people 1310 00:54:00,810 --> 00:53:58,390 that has been their way and it's been 1311 00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:00,820 hugely transformative for them but don't 1312 00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:03,310 we run into a little bit of a conflict 1313 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:08,020 in terms of the the nature of the 1314 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:12,250 experience in terms of it seems like so 1315 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:14,050 many of the Enlightenment non-duality 1316 00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:17,770 folks are going past you don't keep 1317 00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:20,560 going past keep going past to the kind 1318 00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:23,800 of nothingness of being sassoon din to 1319 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:26,470 the greater one consciousness stuff 1320 00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:28,930 which which I don't kind of agree with 1321 00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:32,230 that but that that's kind of not my 1322 00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:34,870 position on all that is that we just can 1323 00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:37,780 never conceptualize that you know we 1324 00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:40,120 have to bring it back and and stuff it 1325 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:43,870 back into our mechanism here and that's 1326 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:45,610 always going to be limited it's always 1327 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:49,690 going to be a limited understanding of 1328 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,120 what's going on but to the extent that 1329 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:53,920 we can and we do because we like talked 1330 00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:55,530 and we like having these conversations 1331 00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:57,850 doesn't there seem to be some kind of 1332 00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:00,700 fundamental conflict between what the ND 1333 00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:05,500 years are telling us and what the you 1334 00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,030 know i don't know enlightenment 1335 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:10,360 community is telling us I suppose there 1336 00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:12,850 might be in terms of some individuals 1337 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:14,550 within each of those communities but 1338 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:18,370 there is no conflict for me and i think 1339 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:19,810 i could probably introduce you to a lot 1340 00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,980 of people for whom there would be no 1341 00:55:24,819 --> 00:55:23,200 conflict they would just fit it all 1342 00:55:26,949 --> 00:55:24,829 together nicely 1343 00:55:28,539 --> 00:55:26,959 um I think that your your point about 1344 00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,549 the nothingness folks there are folks 1345 00:55:31,779 --> 00:55:30,319 who sort of our heavy on the sort of 1346 00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,789 nothingness and it's all an illusion 1347 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:34,400 kind of emphasis but I think that's a 1348 00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:38,329 phase and you know I don't maybe it's a 1349 00:55:41,229 --> 00:55:39,529 phase they'll be stuck in all their 1350 00:55:44,049 --> 00:55:41,239 lives i don't know but i've seen a lot 1351 00:55:45,219 --> 00:55:44,059 of people if if you would ask me you 1352 00:55:48,459 --> 00:55:45,229 know do what i see some kind of 1353 00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:48,469 evolution in this non-dual community i 1354 00:55:54,579 --> 00:55:51,859 would have to say that it's in terms of 1355 00:55:59,229 --> 00:55:54,589 the word embodiment best sums it up 1356 00:56:01,449 --> 00:55:59,239 where people have kind of had a taste or 1357 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:01,459 perhaps you know total plunge into the 1358 00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:04,249 absolute abstract on manifest value and 1359 00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:06,380 then they're thinking or then they're 1360 00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:08,630 kind of realizing yeah that's great but 1361 00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:10,849 I'm a human being you know I have a life 1362 00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,069 I have a family I have a job but how do 1363 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:15,440 i integrate that into my humaneness and 1364 00:56:18,729 --> 00:56:17,450 so there's a lot of emphasis and a lot 1365 00:56:22,569 --> 00:56:18,739 of teachers are talking about it very 1366 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:22,579 specifically on integrating that sort of 1367 00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:24,890 nothingness value into the somethingness 1368 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:27,920 value and being able to sort of bridge 1369 00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:30,249 both worlds and live live in both worlds 1370 00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:33,049 simultaneously being in the world but 1371 00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:36,680 not of it so in terms of the NDE thing I 1372 00:56:41,289 --> 00:56:39,140 you know it really does give people a 1373 00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:41,299 very profound taste transforms their 1374 00:56:46,779 --> 00:56:43,430 lives in most cases makes them realize 1375 00:56:48,729 --> 00:56:46,789 that you know were this is this human 1376 00:56:50,829 --> 00:56:48,739 life is just a brief kind of stopped on 1377 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:50,839 a much grander journey and I think 1378 00:56:54,579 --> 00:56:52,729 that's a profound spiritual insight but 1379 00:56:56,259 --> 00:56:54,589 it's you know n DS are not the only way 1380 00:56:57,729 --> 00:56:56,269 you can get that insight and I think 1381 00:57:01,089 --> 00:56:57,739 people who have really gotten it in 1382 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:01,099 other ways would be very appreciative 1383 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:05,650 and accepting of any nde person's story 1384 00:57:12,249 --> 00:57:08,569 what's next for you Rick where is bat 1385 00:57:14,439 --> 00:57:12,259 gap heading mm-hmm well I just keep 1386 00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:14,449 rolling along there's an arranged a 1387 00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:16,249 fellow named Leonard Jacobson next on 1388 00:57:20,439 --> 00:57:18,589 the docket and I've just finished 1389 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:20,449 reading his book and listening to a 1390 00:57:25,059 --> 00:57:23,089 bunch of his audios and I like him a lot 1391 00:57:26,709 --> 00:57:25,069 because he has a very complete kind of 1392 00:57:31,209 --> 00:57:26,719 understanding along the lines of what I 1393 00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:31,219 was just saying so far I'm just 1394 00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,109 interviewing one person a week and and 1395 00:57:37,029 --> 00:57:35,119 it's it's you know we'll see what 1396 00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:37,039 develops possibly next year I'll start 1397 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:38,510 doing two a week we'll see 1398 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:43,900 eh yeah um and but you know it's like I 1399 00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:47,690 don't have a particular plan in terms of 1400 00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:49,460 exactly where this is going I'm just 1401 00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,220 doing it and enjoying it and letting it 1402 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:55,520 unfold and it hasn't always unfolded as 1403 00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:57,050 quickly as I might like but I think it's 1404 00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:00,620 unfolded at a perfect pace and there's a 1405 00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:04,030 lot of great people helping my wife 1406 00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:07,940 Irene and I have people have a 1407 00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:10,100 translation and transcription team of 1408 00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,360 people that are around the world 1409 00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:13,760 volunteering their time and there's a 1410 00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:14,750 guy who does all the video 1411 00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:16,310 post-production another guy who does the 1412 00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:17,870 audio post-production so it's kind of 1413 00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:20,060 grown into this whole little community 1414 00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:24,020 of volunteers and helpers and people and 1415 00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:26,390 I'm certainly not the whole kit and 1416 00:58:29,410 --> 00:58:27,800 caboodle I'm just kind of the guy who 1417 00:58:32,290 --> 00:58:29,420 gets on the camera and gets on the 1418 00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:32,300 microphone and ask the questions but 1419 00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:33,950 it's a lot of people kind of who are 1420 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:36,020 involved in it like that see the value 1421 00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:38,450 of it and you know that's changed their 1422 00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:40,220 lives profoundly and so they want to 1423 00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:43,700 participate in having it you know help 1424 00:58:48,310 --> 00:58:46,670 to change others that's a great thing so 1425 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:48,320 for folks who haven't checked it out 1426 00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:53,570 back gap ba TG AAP kaam just a wonderful 1427 00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:55,640 experience you dip in there I you know I 1428 00:58:59,650 --> 00:58:58,280 have to kind of offer a different 1429 00:59:03,160 --> 00:58:59,660 perspective on something you said 1430 00:59:05,620 --> 00:59:03,170 earlier about people who might go there 1431 00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:05,630 and listen to a couple of interviews and 1432 00:59:10,270 --> 00:59:07,640 then they're going to turn away if 1433 00:59:12,910 --> 00:59:10,280 they're not into your thing I don't know 1434 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:12,920 I mean even myself i can think of years 1435 00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:16,910 ago I ran across bat gap and I listened 1436 00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,070 a little bit and it wasn't exactly my 1437 00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:20,720 cup of tea I don't know who I came 1438 00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:22,460 across you know it wasn't you but it was 1439 00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:24,380 one of the gas or it just didn't strike 1440 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:27,680 me but it planted a seed you know and I 1441 00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,930 think that's what you're doing you're 1442 00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:32,000 out there planting seeds and you just 1443 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:33,800 don't know where those are going to 1444 00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:35,570 germinate but I certainly wish you the 1445 00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,700 best of luck there's such a variety of 1446 00:59:40,990 --> 00:59:39,680 people i mean if you listen to five or 1447 00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:41,000 ten minutes of one interview and it 1448 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:43,430 doesn't you know who let your fire then 1449 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:46,130 then go on to the next one I mean you're 1450 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:47,090 probably not going to get through them 1451 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:48,890 all anyway so why spend time on one that 1452 00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:50,450 you're not enjoying but 1453 00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:52,460 there are there are some menus under the 1454 00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:54,560 past interviews menu at backup there's 1455 01:00:00,819 --> 00:59:57,140 there's a alphabetical listing of all 1456 01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:00,829 the people there's a a categorical 1457 01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:02,630 there's a chronological there's also a 1458 01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:04,820 categorical where we try to categorize 1459 01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,310 all these people by different by their 1460 01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,960 own personal background and also by 1461 01:00:14,589 --> 01:00:12,079 their current teaching emphasis so you 1462 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:14,599 know there's you might find that a 1463 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:16,790 particular category appeals to you and 1464 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:21,770 maybe not others so another thing we'd 1465 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:24,890 like to develop is a kind of an events 1466 01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:26,570 database where people could say like 1467 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:28,550 what's going on in London and they would 1468 01:00:32,410 --> 01:00:30,530 immediately see okay this teacher is 1469 01:00:35,339 --> 01:00:32,420 coming on such and such a day and this 1470 01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:35,349 teachers here and and so on or you know 1471 01:00:39,819 --> 01:00:37,940 they could sort it and sift it in 1472 01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,829 different ways in order to fight to plug 1473 01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:41,359 into something near them because we get 1474 01:00:44,290 --> 01:00:42,950 a lot of inquiries from people like that 1475 01:00:46,569 --> 01:00:44,300 saying you know do you know anybody in 1476 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:46,579 Czechoslovakia and it's really hard to 1477 01:00:50,530 --> 01:00:48,530 remember so if we get that set up 1478 01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:50,540 properly it'll be a really useful 1479 01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:53,060 resource for people to connect with 1480 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:55,000 someone that you know inspires them 1481 01:00:59,650 --> 01:00:58,010 excellent excellent well certainly wish 1482 01:01:01,690 --> 01:00:59,660 you the best of luck with it Rick and 1483 01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:01,700 thanks again our guest today has been 1484 01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:04,670 Rick Archer from Buddha at the gas pump 1485 01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:08,510 thanks again Rick thanks Ivan thanks 1486 01:01:12,430 --> 01:01:10,190 again to Rick Archer for joining me on 1487 01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:12,440 skeptic 01 question i tee up from this 1488 01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:15,069 interview is what do you think it takes 1489 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:18,230 for our society for our culture to 1490 01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:20,210 experience a shift in consciousness and 1491 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:23,510 become more enlightened if you will so 1492 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:24,770 that's a topic we talked quite a bit 1493 01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:27,290 about in this interview and I'd love to 1494 01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,990 get your thoughts on that of course the 1495 01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:31,760 place to do that is well there's 1496 01:01:36,339 --> 01:01:33,859 actually let me stop and say there's 1497 01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:36,349 many places to do that and one of the 1498 01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,030 things I've been doing lately is trying 1499 01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:40,960 to reach out a little bit more on 1500 01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:44,569 facebook twitter and through my other 1501 01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:47,000 website why science is wrong that 1502 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:49,460 coincides with my book of course and try 1503 01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:51,530 and connect with people in more in 1504 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:53,660 different ways because that really is my 1505 01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:56,060 goal is connecting with you the listener 1506 01:02:00,790 --> 01:01:58,670 and forming our own little community and 1507 01:02:02,829 --> 01:02:00,800 helping inform each other and helping 1508 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:02,839 each other grow so I'm looking for more 1509 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:03,890 ways to do that in 1510 01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:06,049 in youtube which I'm kind of trying to 1511 01:02:11,289 --> 01:02:08,900 expand that channel too so I do 1512 01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:11,299 encourage you to connect with me I'd 1513 01:02:15,309 --> 01:02:12,950 love to connect with you in any way you 1514 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:15,319 can like me over on facebook please 1515 01:02:19,329 --> 01:02:17,869 please please do that follow me on 1516 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:19,339 twitter i'm going to be more active on 1517 01:02:22,839 --> 01:02:20,930 Twitter so please do that it's just a 1518 01:02:24,279 --> 01:02:22,849 click and I found it to be a great tool 1519 01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:24,289 I've used it for a while but I was never 1520 01:02:28,539 --> 01:02:26,420 really into it very much and now i'm 1521 01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:28,549 going to try and get more into it so if 1522 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:30,950 you want connect with me over there and 1523 01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,329 it's a good way for us to stay in touch 1524 01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:35,359 of course the usual ways work as well 1525 01:02:40,569 --> 01:02:38,750 join me over on The Skeptical form join 1526 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:40,579 me by writing comments right on the 1527 01:02:45,279 --> 01:02:43,250 website or you can email me if you do 1528 01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:45,289 come to the website I should probably 1529 01:02:52,059 --> 01:02:47,510 spell it out for you so you can get the 1530 01:02:53,769 --> 01:02:52,069 correct spelling it's ske pti k Oh calm 1531 01:02:57,849 --> 01:02:53,779 and when you're there you can of course 1532 01:03:00,450 --> 01:02:57,859 find all our over 250 previous shows all 1533 01:03:03,789 --> 01:03:00,460 available there for free download mp3 1534 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:03,799 most of them are transcribed almost all 1535 01:03:07,569 --> 01:03:05,690 of them are transcribed and I should 1536 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:07,579 mention that as well in the future what 1537 01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:08,930 I'm going to plant what I plan on doing 1538 01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:12,369 is transcribing a little bit less 1539 01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,710 transcribing highlights and but but in 1540 01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,319 exchange for them to offer links into 1541 01:03:22,210 --> 01:03:20,000 the audio where you can listen to those 1542 01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,220 parts and one of the reasons I'm doing 1543 01:03:26,859 --> 01:03:24,799 that is one I want to add that feature 1544 01:03:28,839 --> 01:03:26,869 of highlighting different parts of the 1545 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:28,849 show rather than just providing one long 1546 01:03:33,009 --> 01:03:30,890 transcript that I think is difficult for 1547 01:03:35,710 --> 01:03:33,019 people to read through I know that's how 1548 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:35,720 i would like to consume this information 1549 01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,490 so that's kind of how i do it for other 1550 01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,200 people and the other reason is i'm 1551 01:03:44,140 --> 01:03:41,599 trying to shorten my cycle a little bit 1552 01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:44,150 in terms of how long it takes me to get 1553 01:03:48,759 --> 01:03:46,190 these shows out and one of the things 1554 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:48,769 that holds that up is I send these shows 1555 01:03:53,289 --> 01:03:51,049 out to transcription and I can only do 1556 01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:53,299 that after I've edited them and then 1557 01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:55,190 that takes laughs a while and then it 1558 01:03:59,019 --> 01:03:56,960 takes people a while to transcribe these 1559 01:04:01,569 --> 01:03:59,029 shows so I'm trying to shorten that 1560 01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:01,579 cycle down and get to be a little bit 1561 01:04:07,059 --> 01:04:03,859 more efficient so that I can do more 1562 01:04:09,370 --> 01:04:07,069 cool stuff so those are just some little 1563 01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:09,380 changes that you'll see coming down the 1564 01:04:14,499 --> 01:04:11,630 road and I hope they work out for all of 1565 01:04:16,819 --> 01:04:14,509 you and I hope you keep listening and 1566 01:04:20,029 --> 01:04:16,829 help you share this show with who 1567 01:04:22,219 --> 01:04:20,039 ever you think can benefit from it well 1568 01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:22,229 that's going to do it for today I do 1569 01:04:27,229 --> 01:04:25,559 have a bunch of really cool shows coming 1570 01:04:30,259 --> 01:04:27,239 up I'm so excited about it I have 1571 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:30,269 reached out to more skeptical people and 1572 01:04:36,469 --> 01:04:33,690 I have some pretty big names coming on 1573 01:04:38,539 --> 01:04:36,479 the show in addition to I'm going to be 1574 01:04:41,509 --> 01:04:38,549 going on more shows I should mention 1575 01:04:44,749 --> 01:04:41,519 that as I go on these other shows I am 1576 01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:44,759 posting those over on the why science is 1577 01:04:49,249 --> 01:04:48,059 wrong calm website so you can go listen 1578 01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:49,259 to those shows if you're at all 1579 01:04:52,609 --> 01:04:51,180 interested in them and some of them I've 1580 01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:52,619 really enjoyed do them and I think they 1581 01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:53,819 have some good information that we don't 1582 01:04:57,709 --> 01:04:56,249 always get out on The Skeptical show but 1583 01:04:59,900 --> 01:04:57,719 anyways that's going to be there and 1584 01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,910 we'll also have a thread on The 1585 01:05:06,349 --> 01:05:02,640 Skeptical form that kind of discusses 1586 01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,359 some of those interviews as well so once 1587 01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:09,119 again that's all for today but do stay